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okay hello everyone this is Murr your

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host Martin Willis and I have a very

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interesting guest we're going to talk

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about some interesting topics this

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evening it's paul davids he has been

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involved in all kinds of things he's an

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amazing artist and he's been he's been

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in Hollywood he's been involved in some

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films he wrote a very very interesting

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book about forrest ackerman who was he

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was very close to him as a matter of

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fact he won an award I think at like 14

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years old I think it was something I'm

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going to talk to him about that but he

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started really young had some interest

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in like monsters and things like that

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him and his wife have written some Star

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Wars series follow-up shows or something

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you know I'm going to get all the right

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stuff from him and welcome to the show

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Paul hi Martin yeah we planned this for

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a long time and it's good we're finally

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able to yes absolutely

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and we met first out in Phoenix and

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right away I really liked you a lot you

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you did magic tricks and all kinds of

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great stuff you're you're well-versed

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and about a million things aren't you

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that's true I make films I'm I'm an

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artist I write screenplays and books and

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I am a magician as well when I have the

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opportunity to yeah yeah I am hearing a

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little bit of noise from something I

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don't know if it's a court on your

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headset or what just to let you know I

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am hearing I am hearing that and how did

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you get into uh into writing and movies

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and all that how did how did your path

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lead you to that well Martin I was

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fascinated by movies from the time I was

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young kid this was back in the days

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before video and we had 8-millimeter

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home movie cameras and I started making

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my own films when I was even before my

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teenage years as you mentioned I was

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very involved in interested in science

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fiction and monster films as a kid and I

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made my own with animation trying to

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imitate the style of Ray Harryhausen and

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Willis O'Brien you know King Kong the

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7th voyage of Sinbad those masters were

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my inspiration and I did enter a making

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contest for Famous Monsters magazine

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when I was about 13 or 14 years old and

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I was one of the winners

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I got publicity in the magazine and I

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got to know the editor Forrest J

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Ackerman at that age when I was very

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young Wow

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and that was that was a great

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opportunity he had a very large

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influence on my path Wow yeah you know

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I'm still hearing some noise I don't

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know if it's a cable on your on your

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headset or whatever but it's like making

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a constant clatter there if you can

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figure out what that is

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okay let me try to adjust and see if

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we're any better off now you were

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hearing a clatter yes like if you moved

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or just anything okay I don't know if

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you can put the cable behind you and

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sorry for our live listeners we'll get

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through this and figure it out real

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quickly I'm sure

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okay so f-14 did you say you won that

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contest yes and I got involved in

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animated cartoons when I was in college

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I went to Princeton and then was one of

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the first students accepted at the

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Center for advanced film studies of the

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and that that gave me a that gave me a

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head start and what I wanted to do it

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was the opening year and they chose 15

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students they gave a fellowship to and a

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small production budget to do a first

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student film and I got to meet

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out of my heroes of Hollywood that uh

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Forrest when you were young how did that

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happen

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he took a cross-country trip to go to

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the the world science fiction convention

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which one year was held at the Statler

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Hilton in Washington DC and I grew up in

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suburban Maryland Kensington Maryland

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actually and my friend who made those

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movies with me

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Jeff Tinsley his father max took us

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downtown to meet fari because he'd read

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in the paper that fari Ackerman was

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going to be there and I had a chance to

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tell him about the childhood movies I

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was making and he told me to come back

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the next day and I could show them which

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I did to a group of young monster fans

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in Tafari Ackerman and his publisher and

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childhood movies you know this was just

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a tremendous inspiration and boost for a

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kid who had these kind of drinks you

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know to meet a hero like this to get

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that recognition and I I almost took a

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more straight narrow path and and like

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what were you thinking about doing for a

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career well the alternative was yeah I

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majored in psychology at Princeton and

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drafted but they were deferments for

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medical school and I was well I took all

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the pre-med courses I was thinking of

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interested in psychiatry I did research

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early research with the psychedelics at

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college and yep and and I actually

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Osman who coined the term psychedelic he

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was the Canadian psychiatrist who

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experimented with mescaline and actually

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of perception I was involved in all of

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that as a student which explains why one

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was a biography of Timothy Leary all

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Timothy Leary's dead which I was able to

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do at the end of Timothy Leary's his

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last year so you know was either going

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to be medical school or it was going to

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be movies and under the tremendous

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inspiration of the Yellow Submarine when

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that film came out and with my interest

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effects I applied to the American Film

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career before it began and I'm glad that

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I did you know there's a lot of doctors

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of the world there's there's fewer

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people who do the kinds of things that

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I've done over the last 40 years

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yeah which which is may make a lot of

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films produce and direct a lot of films

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people on the original transformers

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coordinator I was a writer on those

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cartoons I as you had mentioned I had a

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contract after that from Lucasfilm to

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write Star Wars books and then after

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that began producing and directing my my

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films a lot of which I'm sure the

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listeners to your program would know I

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think that everybody knows Roswell the

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UFO cover-up of Showtime and so it's a

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long list of films now you know don't

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mention Timothy Leary's dead and starry

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sci-fi boys was the history of special

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effects and movies featuring Peter

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project and Marilyn Monroe Declassified

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Mexico based on a stage play and I shot

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half of it in Mexico and some very

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exotic locations that film is called

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before we say goodbye so it's been it's

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and the subjects and often about about a

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person who was sort of rejected by

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society at large but was a trailblazer

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who perhaps later was recognized that's

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been our recurring theme so you you kind

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of pick and choose what you're going to

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do you're not like handed a screenplay

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or anything from anyone this is all kind

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of all your baby it's all come from me

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it's a very unusual career that way and

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how did that start well I guess that

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I was actually my second film I did a

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film about Vaslav Nijinsky that I wrote

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was called she dances alone he was a

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Russian ballet dancer was the greatest

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protested World War one he went insane

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he became catatonic he spent his final

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decades in an asylum there's been a few

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get it made before I got starry night

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made I I got Roswell made that took four

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years four years from screenplay to

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finally getting a green light to make

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the film it included a development deal

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at HBO for I think was about a year and

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a half of writing and working with

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it and that HBO decided they weren't

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going to make it after all they threw us

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out we had to start over again and were

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very fortunate to get a green light to

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that film well it was very very popular

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every favor I had and made the film on a

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low budget it was sort of like you know

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success at Blockbuster then they put it

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deals for for cable television and then

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syndicated television and enough buddy

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came in from that that I could then you

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know make another film oh I did leave

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that was I partially financed it and my

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friend Todd Easton Mills put up most of

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the money for that and was a producer

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Leary again that was it was a huge

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success critically and was fantastic at

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the Toronto Film Festival and the Venice

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Film Festival because Timothy Leary had

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just passed away the film came out in

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1997 and everybody was really intensely

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interested in Timothy Leary the founder

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of the psychedelic movement at that time

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song they used to I can't remember the

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name of the song but that used to say it

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the legend legend of a mind and the

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lyrics were Timothy Leary said I love

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the Moody Blues - no I shoulda known

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maybe junior high all about Timothy

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Leary and like how controversial he was

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actually pass away from drug overdose is

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that what happened no no no no not at

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all no it was it was cancer Wow he had

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prostate cancer that metastasized and

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then it was it was cancer he saw he knew

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about six months before he passed away

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that the end was near but one of the

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things that's so interesting about

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Timothy Leary today now that marijuana

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is legal in so many states either for

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purely medical purposes or also for

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recreational purposes Timothy Leary was

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sentenced to prison for 10 years for

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possession of one joint of marijuana Wow

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and he and C first arrested in Texas and

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then that that went through appeals

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forever and he was wasn't in jail yet

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and that he was arrested again in

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California when he was running for

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governor against Ronald Reagan Iran is

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an independent psychadelic platform and

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then they they they sent him to a low

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security prison I think his sentence

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then was was was five years actually or

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actually in the end he served five years

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no on blood when they when they when

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they when they put him in prison in

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deciding where they were going to send

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him they administered a psychological

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test to him that is given to all

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prisoners and it's the Timothy Leary

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psychological test he had designed the

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tests at Harvard oh sweet irony sweet

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irony he and he escaped from prison with

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it with help from the Weathermen it was

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the story of his escape you know this is

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all in my film which is called Timothy

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Leary's dead which is now online for

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streaming it's it was out of circulation

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for a while but you can find it again

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now and Timothy

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it's documentary he's in it throughout

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and it tells the story of his life and

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the death he planned which was to be

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cryogenic preservation

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nation and then he canceled that at the

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last minute was cremated and had his

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ashes sent up into space with the ashes

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of Gene Roddenberry did this man was a

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you know a trailblazer

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you know half of America thought he was

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a nut and the other half thought that

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you know he was a sort of a messianic

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figure so you know is it was an

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important influence on American culture

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Timothy Leary I was sort of the founder

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of the hippy movement and you know he

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got a lot of blame during the Vietnam

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War protests and he ended up spending

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five years in prison most of it at

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Folsom Prison some of it in the very

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next cell to Charles Manson oh okay nice

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and and oh and he said you know he said

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for a philosopher you know that that

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prison was the best thing that ever

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happened to him you know he said he

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didn't have to think about women and

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orgasms he said he could write he wrote

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half of his books it was it and Timothy

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Leary wrote so much that there is a

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published biography know what a

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bibliography it just lists Timothy

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Leary's writings with a paragraph or a

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page about each one and this

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bibliography is 300 pages oh my god I

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had no idea he wrote that that much yeah

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me yes yeah well and he died fairly

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young well it was in every letter I

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thought he was like in his 50s okay so

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he though he kind of reinvented himself

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he finally Jerry Brown when he was

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governor the first time California

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helped get him out of jail and he kind

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of reinvented himself and then began

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instead of psychedelics to focus on the

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development of the Internet and virtual

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reality and he sort of abandoned the old

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phrase was tune in turn on drop out and

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he sort of set that aside to encourage

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people to you know drop in to the new

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world of computers and technology so the

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whole attitude not about that we're

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still getting that clicking noise I

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don't know if there's

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some other way you can take the court

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cable and I can try to readjust the

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table

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okay I've I've tried and I'll try to

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remain very still that's no fun okay so

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let's uh let's move on and talk about

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how you became you became really close

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friends with with Forrest Ackerman and a

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little bit about him first if you would

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well

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Forrest J Ackerman was best known as the

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editor-in-chief of Famous Monsters of

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Filmland magazine that magazine under

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his editorship reached almost 200 issues

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and it is it still been published in

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recent years by a publisher named

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Phillip Kim who although he changed the

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format of the magazine considerably from

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what fari had done originally he honored

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fari by calling him the honorary

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editor-in-chief but posthumously

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so far II was it was born in 1916 he

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grew up with the early development of

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science fiction horror movies special

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effects and he had a great passion for

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that his early career was as an agent

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science fiction writers and he

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represented a lot of those who went on

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to become important very important

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science fiction writers he was very

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responsible for the beginning of Ray

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Bradbury's career and through Famous

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Monsters magazine he massively

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influenced you know my old generation

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the baby boomer generation and then the

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generation of Peter Jackson that came

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afterwards so many kids who went on to

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become major filmmakers grew up reading

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his magazine which was a mixture of

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humor he had a very

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right clever unique sense of humor often

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filled with puns but he also provided an

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enormous amount of information about how

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the movies were made and at that time he

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provided secrets of special effects that

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weren't available anywhere else so his

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influence cannot be underestimated as a

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matter of fact last November through my

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efforts and the efforts of Joe Meaux who

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was his closest friend and caretaker the

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last decade of his life and Shaun for

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now the producer and music supervisor

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through our efforts with the Los Angeles

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City Council

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we got the council to dedicate Forrest J

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Ackerman square in Los Angeles which is

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the intersection of Vermont and Franklin

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right by the house of pies why they are

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some people have asked well the final

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house he lived in for the last six years

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or so was just two blocks from the house

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of pies and he would eat there all the

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time and hold court and audience with a

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lot of directors and writers and people

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in the field of science fiction and

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horror films who would meet him at the

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house of pies you know for lunch or

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dinner uh before he had that small house

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he lived in a house that he called the

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Acker mansion which was in the Los Feliz

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district not more than about two miles

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away from the final small house and that

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large house was a repository of a

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massive amount of memorabilia of science

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fiction and horror movies and literature

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so he had like 250 early edition books

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of Frankenstein and Edgar Allen Poe's

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you know earliest publications and Bram

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Stoker and Lobby cards of all the early

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science fiction and horror movies and

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posters and he had the props from the

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movies and the animated monsters

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themselves and the house was filled with

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this and he was a very generous spirit

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and he had an

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and house every week anybody could come

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to see his religion I spent a lot of

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time there a lot of time there with him

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and you know in my career in film kind

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of grew up with fari as a kind of father

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figure or everyone called him uncle fari

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so when I wrote the Star Wars books with

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my wife Hollis we wrote six Star Wars

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sequel books we dedicated one of them to

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fari

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he wrote the introduction to our very

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first book that Hollis and I wrote

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called the fires of pele Mark Twain's

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legendary lost journal he hired me to

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write for a follow-up magazine he did

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the famous monsters called monster land

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and you know we socialized he came to my

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birthday party when the fires up a light

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came out I went to all of his birthday

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parties he had a birthday bash every

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year and one of the greatest nights of

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my life was when he invited me over to

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the Acker mansion to meet Ray

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Harryhausen and for those listeners who

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don't

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offhand know who Ray Harryhausen is he

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was the great special effects creator of

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movies like jason and the argonauts and

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all of the Sinbad films and early

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science fiction like the beast from

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20,000 fathoms earth vs. the flying

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saucers it came from beneath the sea

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I mean Harryhausen is recognized as

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along with Willis O'Brien they were the

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first two great masters and special

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effects and then everything else flowed

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from them so that so through this close

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association with fari something strange

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emerged Martin and I know you want to

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talk about that because I made it I made

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two films about that strangeness that

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real-life Twilight Zone that I want to

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talk about and then wrote a rather large

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book about what happened because after

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fari died my life turned upside down

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with strange things right and he the

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title your book an atheist is it an

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atheist in heaven I'm sorry you don't

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have a right here in front of me yes

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yeah it's it's an atheist in heaven with

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the subtitle the ultimate evidence

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for life after death with a question but

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the but the atheist was fari fari was an

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atheist and he was proud of Eddie you

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know sort of a card-carrying atheist he

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didn't he didn't believe in God or

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heaven or hell or prayer or

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he didn't believe in the paranormal he

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didn't believe in life after death ah

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gosh he didn't even believe in flying

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saucers real so far II was kind of an

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arch skeptic of his day yeah but but he

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left the crack open for that because

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something weird had happened to him when

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he was a boy his parents were

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spiritualists is his parents you know

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held seances they did the Ouija board

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and there was one Ouija board incident a

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Whitman this is his grandparents not his

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parents his maternal grandparents who

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really were a major force in raising him

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so something strange happened with a

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Ouija board prediction that influenced

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his grandfather's career his grandfather

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became an architect he designed the

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Bradbury building in Los Angeles and so

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he left the door open a crack but he

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really wasn't a believer but he said to

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me at one point you know if it turns out

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I'm wrong and I wake up to a great

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science-fiction convention in the sky

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after prince sirki takes me away he says

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you know I imagine I will have a lot of

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reunions there with my my favorites like

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Boris Karloff and Bela Lugosi and

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producer George pal and my late wife

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when Dane he said but you know when the

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partying dies down he says maybe I would

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drop you a line you know and then he

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kind of winked and he said you know but

540
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don't don't count on it well I didn't I

541
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didn't count on it yeah I didn't count

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on it but he did drop me a line after he

543
00:26:39,590 --> 00:26:36,720
died and that was just the beginning

544
00:26:43,530 --> 00:26:39,600
Martin my life has not been the same

545
00:26:48,210 --> 00:26:43,540
since 2009 he died in 2008 December

546
00:26:52,020 --> 00:26:48,220
but we held a great tribute for him in

547
00:26:57,390 --> 00:26:52,030
March of 2009 at the Egyptian theater in

548
00:27:00,780 --> 00:26:57,400
Hollywood and you know everybody who

549
00:27:04,020 --> 00:27:00,790
loved him was there and many people

550
00:27:09,180 --> 00:27:04,030
spoke or you know Ray Bradbury spoke

551
00:27:10,890 --> 00:27:09,190
there and Rick Baker and John Landis and

552
00:27:13,980 --> 00:27:10,900
Peter Jackson checked in from New

553
00:27:15,810 --> 00:27:13,990
Zealand by video and I was one of the

554
00:27:18,350 --> 00:27:15,820
speakers there were two fellows from

555
00:27:20,850 --> 00:27:18,360
Canada who'd made a biography of fari

556
00:27:24,210 --> 00:27:20,860
they showed their biography that night

557
00:27:26,430 --> 00:27:24,220
and I had made the sci-fi boys which is

558
00:27:30,450 --> 00:27:26,440
one of my most popular films won lots of

559
00:27:35,070 --> 00:27:30,460
awards it's easily findable as a DVD or

560
00:27:38,790 --> 00:27:35,080
streaming online or I mean it's been

561
00:27:41,700 --> 00:27:38,800
televised many times and that was a film

562
00:27:43,470 --> 00:27:41,710
about the development of special effects

563
00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:43,480
and movies from the earliest days up

564
00:27:47,670 --> 00:27:45,490
through Peter Jackson's King Kong Peter

565
00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:47,680
Jackson was the host and it showed far

566
00:27:55,350 --> 00:27:53,050
E's influence in the whole field so I

567
00:27:56,820 --> 00:27:55,360
was there as someone who had made a film

568
00:28:01,760 --> 00:27:56,830
about fari there were two Canadian

569
00:28:06,420 --> 00:28:01,770
filmmakers and they had the first

570
00:28:08,490 --> 00:28:06,430
mind-blowing chilling experience that

571
00:28:08,970 --> 00:28:08,500
they interpreted his communication from

572
00:28:13,500 --> 00:28:08,980
fari

573
00:28:16,710 --> 00:28:13,510
that weekend of the tribute after they

574
00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:16,720
visited his crypt and I want to say

575
00:28:21,060 --> 00:28:18,970
they'll never be time in our interview

576
00:28:24,330 --> 00:28:21,070
for me to give the whole scope of this

577
00:28:27,900 --> 00:28:24,340
and all the things that happened but the

578
00:28:31,470 --> 00:28:27,910
the the projects I made that lay it all

579
00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:31,480
out there and give the truth and the

580
00:28:36,750 --> 00:28:33,730
facts and the real story of what

581
00:28:38,930 --> 00:28:36,760
happened after fari died there's the

582
00:28:40,980 --> 00:28:38,940
life after death project it's a

583
00:28:43,740 --> 00:28:40,990
documentary I think you've seen it

584
00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:43,750
Martin and then I made a sequel to that

585
00:28:47,610 --> 00:28:45,730
life after death project to personal

586
00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:47,620
encounters and the two of those are

587
00:28:52,020 --> 00:28:49,690
packaged together in the DVD if you find

588
00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:52,030
the DVD or you can stream it online um

589
00:28:59,860 --> 00:28:56,210
and that was televised on Syfy

590
00:29:02,440 --> 00:28:59,870
and that tells the story as these

591
00:29:05,620 --> 00:29:02,450
strange things started to happen some

592
00:29:07,660 --> 00:29:05,630
with physical evidence that I took to

593
00:29:10,030 --> 00:29:07,670
laboratories to involve scientists and

594
00:29:12,900 --> 00:29:10,040
have tested this is the fascinating part

595
00:29:16,420 --> 00:29:12,910
of the story that I'm not talking about

596
00:29:19,470 --> 00:29:16,430
contact like a channeling or something

597
00:29:24,250 --> 00:29:19,480
like I'm talking about very specific

598
00:29:26,530 --> 00:29:24,260
tangible things sometimes witnessed by

599
00:29:30,070 --> 00:29:26,540
other people at the same time as myself

600
00:29:32,410 --> 00:29:30,080
sometimes captured on videotape

601
00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:32,420
sometimes with hard physical evidence

602
00:29:40,030 --> 00:29:36,410
that I took to chemistry laboratories to

603
00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:40,040
top chemists to study I got involved

604
00:29:48,610 --> 00:29:45,370
with three universities it was India em

605
00:29:51,850 --> 00:29:48,620
Indiana University University of Indiana

606
00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:51,860
Indianapolis Purdue the College of New

607
00:29:55,870 --> 00:29:53,570
Jersey there were chemists there that

608
00:29:58,900 --> 00:29:55,880
worked on these mysteries for three

609
00:30:02,680 --> 00:29:58,910
years and then at University of Arizona

610
00:30:04,590 --> 00:30:02,690
Tucson dr. Gary Schwartz who then

611
00:30:08,020 --> 00:30:04,600
co-wrote an atheists in heaven with me

612
00:30:11,020 --> 00:30:08,030
he has studied mediums and he has

613
00:30:15,340 --> 00:30:11,030
studied attempts at spirit communication

614
00:30:18,100 --> 00:30:15,350
using technology for over 15 probably 20

615
00:30:22,330 --> 00:30:18,110
years now while at the University of

616
00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:22,340
Arizona Tucson it's been a wild wild

617
00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:25,610
ride Martin and I just asked my

618
00:30:31,420 --> 00:30:28,610
listeners to understand how serious I am

619
00:30:34,180 --> 00:30:31,430
about all of this I mean people make fun

620
00:30:36,070 --> 00:30:34,190
of these things or they you know they

621
00:30:38,950 --> 00:30:36,080
dismiss you as a believer or they think

622
00:30:41,980 --> 00:30:38,960
you're gullible but I have put this

623
00:30:44,830 --> 00:30:41,990
together in the most scientifically

624
00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:44,840
acceptable way I think anybody could to

625
00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:46,970
show the credibility that I think that

626
00:30:54,580 --> 00:30:49,970
all of these incidents of fari dropping

627
00:30:56,860 --> 00:30:54,590
me aligned have complete credibility yep

628
00:30:59,250 --> 00:30:56,870
let's let's talk about a couple of

629
00:31:02,350 --> 00:30:59,260
situations you mentioned the the two

630
00:31:04,900 --> 00:31:02,360
gentlemen that had something happen now

631
00:31:07,300 --> 00:31:04,910
I know they knocked on his on his crypt

632
00:31:09,820 --> 00:31:07,310
and said hello you know they actually

633
00:31:12,820 --> 00:31:09,830
filmed that which was in your document

634
00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:12,830
yes and then later on they go to the the

635
00:31:16,450 --> 00:31:14,810
mansion there the the room that they

636
00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:16,460
were staying in

637
00:31:22,300 --> 00:31:19,490
yeah why don't you yeah was it a mansion

638
00:31:25,660 --> 00:31:22,310
it was a hostel in Hollywood it was an

639
00:31:27,610 --> 00:31:25,670
old you know two-story building where

640
00:31:34,740 --> 00:31:27,620
people come to town rent a room if he

641
00:31:39,970 --> 00:31:34,750
and the two Canadian filmmakers Ian

642
00:31:41,830 --> 00:31:39,980
Johnston and Mike McDonald were sharing

643
00:31:46,180 --> 00:31:41,840
a room they both had their computers set

644
00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:46,190
up on a bureau and Michael after

645
00:31:53,740 --> 00:31:48,890
returning from the Crypt attempted to

646
00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:53,750
post a blog I think it was a I'm not

647
00:31:57,970 --> 00:31:55,250
sure if it was on Facebook but it was

648
00:32:01,180 --> 00:31:57,980
the posting of the blog required that he

649
00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:01,190
fill in a CAPTCHA code those CAPTCHA

650
00:32:05,050 --> 00:32:03,170
codes with the squiggly lines the

651
00:32:07,750 --> 00:32:05,060
squiggly letters and numbers you know so

652
00:32:12,190 --> 00:32:07,760
that they know it's a person not a robot

653
00:32:14,230 --> 00:32:12,200
you know computer trying to spam and the

654
00:32:16,570 --> 00:32:14,240
CAPTCHA code that came up after they

655
00:32:21,970 --> 00:32:16,580
returned from his crypt was his name it

656
00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:21,980
was Ackerman zero zero zero and that

657
00:32:30,490 --> 00:32:24,050
started it that was the first day it

658
00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:30,500
just you know blew their minds and while

659
00:32:37,300 --> 00:32:33,530
they were looking at it the second

660
00:32:39,790 --> 00:32:37,310
computer was plugged in you know it was

661
00:32:45,190 --> 00:32:39,800
it was was booted up but it was asleep

662
00:32:47,620 --> 00:32:45,200
and when Michael

663
00:32:49,930 --> 00:32:47,630
no it was Ian Ian made the comment you

664
00:32:53,410 --> 00:32:49,940
know this Ackerman zero zero zero you

665
00:32:56,800 --> 00:32:53,420
know what the Ackerman reboot Ackerman

666
00:33:00,370 --> 00:32:56,810
you know real life you know it is he

667
00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:00,380
really dead the second computer spoke to

668
00:33:09,450 --> 00:33:04,250
them at that point and said oh my gosh

669
00:33:13,890 --> 00:33:09,460
no way and set it with a childlike voice

670
00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:13,900
the screensaver on that computer that

671
00:33:20,950 --> 00:33:17,570
Ian had posted there was a picture of

672
00:33:21,779 --> 00:33:20,960
fari as a child at the age of four and a

673
00:33:24,989 --> 00:33:21,789
half

674
00:33:28,379 --> 00:33:24,999
and that voice turns out it was an

675
00:33:30,479 --> 00:33:28,389
animated emoticon that can be found on

676
00:33:33,090 --> 00:33:30,489
YouTube of a little smiley face sang out

677
00:33:36,029 --> 00:33:33,100
Oh oh my gosh no way and then it rolls

678
00:33:40,469 --> 00:33:36,039
over on its side the thing here was that

679
00:33:42,869 --> 00:33:40,479
he wasn't logged on to the Internet and

680
00:33:45,119 --> 00:33:42,879
as he said you know my computer had no

681
00:33:47,070 --> 00:33:45,129
business you know speaking to me

682
00:33:50,580 --> 00:33:47,080
you know that where was the voice coming

683
00:33:52,529 --> 00:33:50,590
from it wasn't in his hard drive and why

684
00:33:55,229 --> 00:33:52,539
would it blurt that out as if in

685
00:33:59,820 --> 00:33:55,239
response to his comment so the two of

686
00:34:02,339 --> 00:33:59,830
them were spooked and ian was a

687
00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:02,349
disbeliever a very strong skeptic in

688
00:34:05,249 --> 00:34:03,970
these kinds of things whereas Michael

689
00:34:07,049 --> 00:34:05,259
felt that he had lived in a haunted

690
00:34:10,460 --> 00:34:07,059
house that he had lived with ghosts he

691
00:34:13,770 --> 00:34:10,470
was absolutely a believer and you know

692
00:34:16,799 --> 00:34:13,780
spirits so you had the two guys there

693
00:34:20,940 --> 00:34:16,809
with shaken by this and they told people

694
00:34:23,579 --> 00:34:20,950
about it that weekend at the memorial

695
00:34:29,579 --> 00:34:23,589
well the tribute for fari and I heard

696
00:34:32,129 --> 00:34:29,589
about it then and you know I didn't know

697
00:34:34,770 --> 00:34:32,139
what to do with it you know I was I

698
00:34:37,230 --> 00:34:34,780
escaped 'ok you know i I can't say that

699
00:34:40,859 --> 00:34:37,240
I was a believer in life after death at

700
00:34:43,409 --> 00:34:40,869
that point I had had some reason to take

701
00:34:47,700 --> 00:34:43,419
it seriously let me backtrack a moment

702
00:34:49,230 --> 00:34:47,710
okay why back in 1983 I worked for F lee

703
00:34:52,559 --> 00:34:49,240
Bailey the attorney yeah

704
00:34:57,000 --> 00:34:52,569
famous and journey you know he was one

705
00:35:00,750 --> 00:34:57,010
of the defense attorneys on the OJ

706
00:35:03,210 --> 00:35:00,760
Simpson case and he had a television

707
00:35:06,150 --> 00:35:03,220
show called lie detector and I had been

708
00:35:10,190 --> 00:35:06,160
hired as one of the several segment

709
00:35:13,230 --> 00:35:10,200
producers and we would find stories

710
00:35:15,660 --> 00:35:13,240
people would contact us they wanted to

711
00:35:18,030 --> 00:35:15,670
tell their story on TV and have a lie

712
00:35:20,700 --> 00:35:18,040
detector prove what you're telling was

713
00:35:22,620 --> 00:35:20,710
true and I brought in a psychic

714
00:35:26,069 --> 00:35:22,630
detective from New Jersey named Dorothy

715
00:35:28,549 --> 00:35:26,079
Allison and she was a fascinating woman

716
00:35:31,740 --> 00:35:28,559
and she came in with a whole dossier of

717
00:35:33,930 --> 00:35:31,750
files with letters from police

718
00:35:35,390 --> 00:35:33,940
departments commending her on having

719
00:35:37,870 --> 00:35:35,400
solved

720
00:35:40,370 --> 00:35:37,880
as cases and she used psychic means

721
00:35:43,099 --> 00:35:40,380
communication with departed murder

722
00:35:44,990 --> 00:35:43,109
victims to find bodies that had never

723
00:35:49,700 --> 00:35:45,000
been found and she had been successful

724
00:35:51,950 --> 00:35:49,710
time and time again so that was 1983 she

725
00:35:54,500 --> 00:35:51,960
passed her lie-detector test I read the

726
00:35:56,809 --> 00:35:54,510
book about her it was quite convincing

727
00:36:00,079 --> 00:35:56,819
so my mind had to be open to the fact

728
00:36:05,390 --> 00:36:00,089
that you know this could be true but now

729
00:36:07,069 --> 00:36:05,400
consider from 1983 up till 2009 at the

730
00:36:09,410 --> 00:36:07,079
tribute affari I hadn't done anything

731
00:36:12,019 --> 00:36:09,420
with that I've done any further research

732
00:36:15,710 --> 00:36:12,029
I hadn't read any further books I hadn't

733
00:36:17,779 --> 00:36:15,720
explored it you know I I had a curiosity

734
00:36:20,180 --> 00:36:17,789
about the possibility of reincarnation

735
00:36:23,870 --> 00:36:20,190
and I read about well were the writings

736
00:36:27,140 --> 00:36:23,880
of Paramahansa Yogananda um and I

737
00:36:29,210 --> 00:36:27,150
thought that was fascinating but this

738
00:36:35,299 --> 00:36:29,220
was not my thing it was not my field

739
00:36:38,599 --> 00:36:35,309
so why 2009 after that tribute what I

740
00:36:40,339 --> 00:36:38,609
have become so completely immersed and

741
00:36:42,799 --> 00:36:40,349
some could say obsessed and I wouldn't

742
00:36:47,029 --> 00:36:42,809
argue with them because once I had that

743
00:36:49,130 --> 00:36:47,039
first contact um I was shaken

744
00:36:51,410 --> 00:36:49,140
I was really shaken I couldn't I

745
00:36:56,269 --> 00:36:51,420
couldn't deny what happened to me which

746
00:36:58,910 --> 00:36:56,279
involved a document a document in my

747
00:36:59,359 --> 00:36:58,920
Santa Fe house I was alone the doors are

748
00:37:01,789 --> 00:36:59,369
locked

749
00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:01,799
the document is ordinary I've printed it

750
00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:04,770
out the ink had dried two hours before

751
00:37:10,910 --> 00:37:07,410
I'm out of the room for five minutes I

752
00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:10,920
come back in and the document has been

753
00:37:15,609 --> 00:37:12,210
changed while I've been out of the room

754
00:37:19,750 --> 00:37:15,619
and now as I look at it there's four

755
00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:19,760
words that have been precisely neatly

756
00:37:24,170 --> 00:37:22,170
surgically blacked out

757
00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:24,180
with two different levels of blackness

758
00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:26,130
and the ink is still moist on those

759
00:37:30,980 --> 00:37:28,770
words and this is no accident it's

760
00:37:32,599 --> 00:37:30,990
clearly was done deliberately you know

761
00:37:35,089 --> 00:37:32,609
this isn't water dripping from the

762
00:37:39,109 --> 00:37:35,099
ceiling or a leaky and in the bed this

763
00:37:40,789 --> 00:37:39,119
is uh this was done on purpose but there

764
00:37:44,089 --> 00:37:40,799
was no one there physically who could

765
00:37:47,030 --> 00:37:44,099
have done it it just shocked me I'd

766
00:37:51,260 --> 00:37:47,040
never had an experience like that before

767
00:37:54,050 --> 00:37:51,270
and I considered you know it as a

768
00:37:57,050 --> 00:37:54,060
possible message it took me a while to

769
00:37:58,910 --> 00:37:57,060
figure out why it was a message and what

770
00:38:00,680 --> 00:37:58,920
the message would be and this is the

771
00:38:03,380 --> 00:38:00,690
first line that far he dropped me

772
00:38:06,260 --> 00:38:03,390
literally a line of text he was an

773
00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:06,270
editor right he communicated with text

774
00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:11,610
and he had dropped me a line 20 times

775
00:38:14,750 --> 00:38:12,930
from all around the world while he was

776
00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:14,760
alive but postcards from various

777
00:38:20,750 --> 00:38:16,890
countries he dropped me a line to say hi

778
00:38:24,740 --> 00:38:20,760
and now he was deceased and he dropped

779
00:38:26,810 --> 00:38:24,750
me that line and it was you know you see

780
00:38:28,820 --> 00:38:26,820
the see the movie the life after death

781
00:38:31,790 --> 00:38:28,830
project read the book an atheist in

782
00:38:34,580 --> 00:38:31,800
heaven to understand all the details but

783
00:38:36,770 --> 00:38:34,590
it was as it turns out a kind of a thank

784
00:38:39,230 --> 00:38:36,780
you for my participation in his tribute

785
00:38:42,340 --> 00:38:39,240
that's my interpretation of it but that

786
00:38:44,660 --> 00:38:42,350
was just the first communication and all

787
00:38:46,820 --> 00:38:44,670
kinds of strange things that I couldn't

788
00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:46,830
explain like living in the twilight zone

789
00:38:52,970 --> 00:38:50,370
for real started happening and even the

790
00:38:54,170 --> 00:38:52,980
very next day well well I want to talk

791
00:38:55,550 --> 00:38:54,180
just a little bit more about this

792
00:38:57,670 --> 00:38:55,560
document but wasn't there

793
00:39:01,220 --> 00:38:57,680
like over a hundred things that you

794
00:39:05,510 --> 00:39:01,230
documented the of strange things was it

795
00:39:07,610 --> 00:39:05,520
that it was yes yes in in in the book an

796
00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:07,620
atheist in heaven at the the end of it I

797
00:39:14,900 --> 00:39:11,850
have a glossary by the way the movie

798
00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:14,910
life after death project came out in

799
00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:18,810
2013 and the atheist in heaven the book

800
00:39:25,730 --> 00:39:22,850
which is both a hardback or a Kindle

801
00:39:30,410 --> 00:39:25,740
came out three years later so it that

802
00:39:34,720 --> 00:39:30,420
takes us through 2016 and chapter 27 the

803
00:39:37,430 --> 00:39:34,730
addendum is a list of phenomena and

804
00:39:41,510 --> 00:39:37,440
while not every single one of these

805
00:39:44,660 --> 00:39:41,520
necessarily is related to Forrest J

806
00:39:47,870 --> 00:39:44,670
Ackerman they're all related to after

807
00:39:52,010 --> 00:39:47,880
life communication and there are a

808
00:39:55,370 --> 00:39:52,020
hundred and what is a 140 142 different

809
00:39:59,970 --> 00:39:55,380
incidents listed that are talked about

810
00:40:03,210 --> 00:39:59,980
in the book and more than half of them

811
00:40:05,310 --> 00:40:03,220
happened to me and many of those happen

812
00:40:12,090 --> 00:40:05,320
with other witnesses as I said we're

813
00:40:16,380 --> 00:40:12,100
either caught on film or just the dinner

814
00:40:18,930 --> 00:40:16,390
party at my home when in a room with a

815
00:40:23,730 --> 00:40:18,940
portrait of Forrest J Ackerman and a we

816
00:40:25,740 --> 00:40:23,740
show mask from Mexico on the wall and I

817
00:40:27,330 --> 00:40:25,750
tell a joke that I knew would have been

818
00:40:29,130 --> 00:40:27,340
one of Far East favorites and at that

819
00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:29,140
moment everyone at the dinner party sees

820
00:40:36,980 --> 00:40:33,850
the mask leap off the wall fly over a

821
00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:36,990
lampshade and land right at my feet oh

822
00:40:44,370 --> 00:40:40,330
and didn't you do some testing and there

823
00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:44,380
was some type of magnetic issue or

824
00:40:52,260 --> 00:40:48,130
electronic issue or something yes that's

825
00:40:54,630 --> 00:40:52,270
the you know I I don't necessarily

826
00:40:59,210 --> 00:40:54,640
remember all these technical terms at

827
00:41:04,109 --> 00:40:59,220
the tip of my tongue but the

828
00:41:06,720 --> 00:41:04,119
electromagnetic field EMF testing you

829
00:41:12,510 --> 00:41:06,730
know ghost hunters use devices to test

830
00:41:14,910 --> 00:41:12,520
electromagnetic fields and it's a way of

831
00:41:16,470 --> 00:41:14,920
finding out you know is there an anomaly

832
00:41:18,830 --> 00:41:16,480
that's causing that or maybe there's

833
00:41:22,590 --> 00:41:18,840
something natural that's causing it but

834
00:41:25,109 --> 00:41:22,600
in my house in Santa Fe the vacation

835
00:41:28,260 --> 00:41:25,119
house the day after the ink incident

836
00:41:31,170 --> 00:41:28,270
happened I had someone over who brought

837
00:41:33,390 --> 00:41:31,180
an EMF reader and and she was taking

838
00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:33,400
readings around the house in the bedroom

839
00:41:38,250 --> 00:41:35,650
and then the living room and I had this

840
00:41:42,420 --> 00:41:38,260
African mask on display in a display

841
00:41:44,670 --> 00:41:42,430
case it didn't have any metal parts to

842
00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:44,680
it so you wouldn't think you know

843
00:41:49,830 --> 00:41:46,210
there'd be anything electromagnetic

844
00:41:52,370 --> 00:41:49,840
about it but we filled this and there

845
00:41:54,390 --> 00:41:52,380
were massive electromagnetic

846
00:41:56,640 --> 00:41:54,400
measurements coming off this thing the

847
00:41:59,250 --> 00:41:56,650
device was you know blinking at full

848
00:42:05,099 --> 00:41:59,260
speed beeping at its maximum loudness

849
00:42:07,170 --> 00:42:05,109
and at that time and this is in the film

850
00:42:09,810 --> 00:42:07,180
it was caught on film she pointed it at

851
00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:09,820
my head and

852
00:42:15,210 --> 00:42:13,450
that thing had the same immensely high

853
00:42:17,190 --> 00:42:15,220
reading as she pointed in my head it was

854
00:42:20,609 --> 00:42:17,200
scary I mean she moved it up and down my

855
00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:20,619
body and when it got to my brain this

856
00:42:25,109 --> 00:42:22,330
thing went off the charts now that's the

857
00:42:27,390 --> 00:42:25,119
only time it's done it that that

858
00:42:33,210 --> 00:42:27,400
happened but it did happen it was caught

859
00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:33,220
on film and there was also a an

860
00:42:42,930 --> 00:42:38,410
electronic voice phenomenon an EVP that

861
00:42:45,599 --> 00:42:42,940
appeared on that videotape in the living

862
00:42:48,770 --> 00:42:45,609
room of that house that day that also

863
00:42:51,930 --> 00:42:48,780
was unexplained and was very strange and

864
00:42:55,770 --> 00:42:51,940
then we discovered it when we played the

865
00:42:58,830 --> 00:42:55,780
video back this is just this lady with

866
00:43:00,480 --> 00:42:58,840
that device and me in the house and we

867
00:43:02,490 --> 00:43:00,490
played it back we could hear a voice

868
00:43:04,500 --> 00:43:02,500
after she measured that thing on my head

869
00:43:08,099 --> 00:43:04,510
and as she was moving it back to the

870
00:43:10,080 --> 00:43:08,109
mask there was a voice that said very

871
00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:10,090
clearly one word

872
00:43:22,109 --> 00:43:20,170
it said Lenore now without jumping to a

873
00:43:24,990 --> 00:43:22,119
thousand conclusions I will point out

874
00:43:27,050 --> 00:43:25,000
that Lenore it's a famous poem by Edgar

875
00:43:32,580 --> 00:43:27,060
Allen Poe and if you know the Raven

876
00:43:36,330 --> 00:43:32,590
Lenore is the lost love that he's

877
00:43:37,950 --> 00:43:36,340
talking about in the Raven fari Ackerman

878
00:43:41,359 --> 00:43:37,960
was one of the biggest promoters of

879
00:43:43,710 --> 00:43:41,369
Edgar Allen Poe that there was in

880
00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:43,720
Hollywood in addition to Roger Corman

881
00:43:48,290 --> 00:43:45,970
who made several movies based on Edgar

882
00:43:51,590 --> 00:43:48,300
Allan Poe stories his Famous Monsters

883
00:43:55,170 --> 00:43:51,600
magazine was always filled with Poe and

884
00:44:01,590 --> 00:43:55,180
it inspired me from a young age to read

885
00:44:04,380 --> 00:44:01,600
a lot of Poe so I don't know I don't

886
00:44:06,180 --> 00:44:04,390
know whether whether Poe had joined fari

887
00:44:08,370 --> 00:44:06,190
that day and was looking on I mean that

888
00:44:09,870 --> 00:44:08,380
mask was really strange and I think it

889
00:44:12,660 --> 00:44:09,880
was maybe the only thing in my house

890
00:44:14,340 --> 00:44:12,670
that would have actually qualified to be

891
00:44:16,859 --> 00:44:14,350
a collector's item in the accra mansion

892
00:44:20,760 --> 00:44:16,869
back in the day and he had a collection

893
00:44:23,520 --> 00:44:20,770
of masks in addition to everything else

894
00:44:26,930 --> 00:44:23,530
a big collection of masks of all kinds

895
00:44:29,820 --> 00:44:26,940
this mask which was a gift from my

896
00:44:35,040 --> 00:44:29,830
fellow producer of Timothy Leary's dad

897
00:44:37,980 --> 00:44:35,050
Todd Mills this mask had been acquired

898
00:44:42,060 --> 00:44:37,990
after was danced in a tribal ceremony in

899
00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:42,070
Zimbabwe Todd Todd had been there he saw

900
00:44:46,290 --> 00:44:44,650
the ceremony he bought the mask he had a

901
00:44:48,120 --> 00:44:46,300
nun display in his own house for many

902
00:44:53,700 --> 00:44:48,130
years and when I got the santa fe house

903
00:44:57,390 --> 00:44:53,710
he gifted it to me and it was there on

904
00:45:00,150 --> 00:44:57,400
display and no in the house and and and

905
00:45:02,850 --> 00:45:00,160
it it frightened me after that I've got

906
00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:02,860
to say I enough thing enough things

907
00:45:10,470 --> 00:45:05,290
happened in that house I didn't want the

908
00:45:12,600 --> 00:45:10,480
mask in the house anymore and the lady

909
00:45:14,520 --> 00:45:12,610
with the EMF reader took it to her house

910
00:45:16,290 --> 00:45:14,530
we put it in my car we drove it to her

911
00:45:19,110 --> 00:45:16,300
house and she babysat the thing for the

912
00:45:22,740 --> 00:45:19,120
next couple months I think and she

913
00:45:24,450 --> 00:45:22,750
reported all kinds of paranormal

914
00:45:26,670 --> 00:45:24,460
activity that happened once she brought

915
00:45:30,570 --> 00:45:26,680
that mask to her house I mean that's a

916
00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:30,580
long long list of strange things I mean

917
00:45:33,570 --> 00:45:32,170
doors that she locked in the middle you

918
00:45:36,180 --> 00:45:33,580
know when she went to bed at night would

919
00:45:39,150 --> 00:45:36,190
be unlocked to wide open when she woke

920
00:45:40,890 --> 00:45:39,160
up in the morning uh skunks would get

921
00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:40,900
into a fight underneath her house just

922
00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:42,490
directly underneath where she put the

923
00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:45,970
mask she had about 12 cats in the house

924
00:45:50,850 --> 00:45:47,410
they didn't like the mask they would

925
00:45:54,240 --> 00:45:50,860
hiss at it yeah this is what I was

926
00:45:57,960 --> 00:45:54,250
finally you know tossed into the middle

927
00:46:02,280 --> 00:45:57,970
of well but this is all what happened

928
00:46:06,750 --> 00:46:02,290
before I made my trip to Indiana

929
00:46:08,640 --> 00:46:06,760
University to dr. J Siegel one of the

930
00:46:11,220 --> 00:46:08,650
top chemists in the country who agreed

931
00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:11,230
that he would take that we called it

932
00:46:15,270 --> 00:46:13,450
well he his term was obliteration ink

933
00:46:17,540 --> 00:46:15,280
obliteration that he would begin

934
00:46:20,160 --> 00:46:17,550
subjecting it to scientific tests and

935
00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:20,170
that is one of the key things about the

936
00:46:25,140 --> 00:46:22,210
mystery here that I think should make

937
00:46:27,120 --> 00:46:25,150
this case absolutely fascinating to

938
00:46:31,310 --> 00:46:27,130
those who are scientifically minded yeah

939
00:46:34,830 --> 00:46:31,320
because yeah just just uh I do have that

940
00:46:36,630 --> 00:46:34,840
document showing up on on YouTube right

941
00:46:37,350 --> 00:46:36,640
now for anyone that's watching this live

942
00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:37,360
but

943
00:46:40,850 --> 00:46:39,010
before I move on they're just this

944
00:46:43,260 --> 00:46:40,860
something I forgot to say earlier is uh

945
00:46:45,710 --> 00:46:43,270
to the people in the chatroom thank you

946
00:46:48,270 --> 00:46:45,720
for joining the chatroom I'm actually

947
00:46:50,430 --> 00:46:48,280
made a decision recently that I'm not

948
00:46:51,840 --> 00:46:50,440
going to be participating in chat I'm

949
00:46:54,060 --> 00:46:51,850
going to be concentrating with the

950
00:46:56,430 --> 00:46:54,070
guests but I do have someone monitoring

951
00:46:58,590 --> 00:46:56,440
the chat for any questions and so that

952
00:47:01,560 --> 00:46:58,600
will afford questions to me through a

953
00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:01,570
text so if anyone has any questions for

954
00:47:06,720 --> 00:47:03,490
our guests just go ahead and post them

955
00:47:08,540 --> 00:47:06,730
up on the chat room and I will get those

956
00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:08,550
questions for our guests tonight so

957
00:47:18,630 --> 00:47:15,330
sorry about that Paul yeah so you know

958
00:47:24,420 --> 00:47:18,640
well I was introducing the chemists into

959
00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:24,430
the story and dr. John Allison worked on

960
00:47:29,880 --> 00:47:26,970
this for three years and he could never

961
00:47:34,140 --> 00:47:29,890
duplicate the ink obliteration trying

962
00:47:36,300 --> 00:47:34,150
everything these two chemists dr. Siegel

963
00:47:43,980 --> 00:47:36,310
and dr. Allison our world-class

964
00:47:47,970 --> 00:47:43,990
authorities on inks paints solvents if

965
00:47:51,390 --> 00:47:47,980
anybody had the background to determine

966
00:47:55,500 --> 00:47:51,400
what happened there that caused that it

967
00:47:58,200 --> 00:47:55,510
would have been these two men and unable

968
00:48:01,470 --> 00:47:58,210
to reproduce it using any solvents and

969
00:48:03,360 --> 00:48:01,480
he actually contributes two chapters to

970
00:48:07,290 --> 00:48:03,370
the book an atheist in heaven dr.

971
00:48:10,050 --> 00:48:07,300
Allison where he explains that any

972
00:48:13,620 --> 00:48:10,060
chemists could appreciate what the

973
00:48:14,970 --> 00:48:13,630
problem was why he couldn't reproduce it

974
00:48:19,860 --> 00:48:14,980
he could determine what the actual

975
00:48:23,040 --> 00:48:19,870
chemistry was and that too was extremely

976
00:48:29,010 --> 00:48:23,050
mystifying why why it would be what what

977
00:48:33,870 --> 00:48:29,020
showed up so from my point of view you

978
00:48:35,900 --> 00:48:33,880
see he he was there as you know as the

979
00:48:39,770 --> 00:48:35,910
skeptic is the person to treat it like

980
00:48:42,150 --> 00:48:39,780
you know like a crime scene you know and

981
00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:42,160
he didn't know whether he could believe

982
00:48:48,870 --> 00:48:45,010
me when he began this he got to know me

983
00:48:50,850 --> 00:48:48,880
in the course of this but you know it's

984
00:48:52,080 --> 00:48:50,860
as he says in his chapter you know yet

985
00:48:53,910 --> 00:48:52,090
to start out treating me as a skeptic

986
00:48:55,830 --> 00:48:53,920
how did he know that I wasn't somebody

987
00:48:57,870 --> 00:48:55,840
was coming to full fast one to see if he

988
00:49:00,870 --> 00:48:57,880
could figure it out

989
00:49:04,050 --> 00:49:00,880
he finally concluded that there's no way

990
00:49:05,670 --> 00:49:04,060
I could have been involved in the Inc

991
00:49:08,040 --> 00:49:05,680
obliteration that I couldn't have done

992
00:49:10,920 --> 00:49:08,050
it if I had wanted to do it he couldn't

993
00:49:12,810 --> 00:49:10,930
do it if he couldn't figure out with all

994
00:49:15,600 --> 00:49:12,820
of his scientific tools after three

995
00:49:18,630 --> 00:49:15,610
years but there was the additional fact

996
00:49:21,840 --> 00:49:18,640
that he and I don't like to loosely use

997
00:49:24,990 --> 00:49:21,850
the word haunted but let's use it here

998
00:49:27,180 --> 00:49:25,000
he became haunted in the course of

999
00:49:29,760 --> 00:49:27,190
studying this over three years the

1000
00:49:31,980 --> 00:49:29,770
number of strange things that started to

1001
00:49:32,880 --> 00:49:31,990
happen to him it was like what was

1002
00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:32,890
happening to me

1003
00:49:37,560 --> 00:49:35,010
and one of the strange things that

1004
00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:37,570
happened to him also happened to one of

1005
00:49:40,590 --> 00:49:38,890
the tenants who was then living in the

1006
00:49:43,290 --> 00:49:40,600
Acker mansion that had been remodeled

1007
00:49:45,180 --> 00:49:43,300
long after fari had vacated there was

1008
00:49:48,780 --> 00:49:45,190
phenomena happening in the Accra mansion

1009
00:49:50,970 --> 00:49:48,790
right we even in the year 2016 held a

1010
00:49:54,600 --> 00:49:50,980
seance there in the Accra mansion with

1011
00:49:59,430 --> 00:49:54,610
scientists present university professors

1012
00:50:02,850 --> 00:49:59,440
several of them and some psychics that

1013
00:50:05,850 --> 00:50:02,860
Gary Schwartz had studied who ran the

1014
00:50:07,980 --> 00:50:05,860
seance and we had phenomena happened

1015
00:50:11,040 --> 00:50:07,990
during the seance that was caught on

1016
00:50:13,050 --> 00:50:11,050
film that we couldn't explain but I

1017
00:50:19,770 --> 00:50:13,060
guess you know the long and short of it

1018
00:50:23,840 --> 00:50:19,780
is that I conclude that you know fari

1019
00:50:27,210 --> 00:50:23,850
does still exist as conscious spirit

1020
00:50:31,080 --> 00:50:27,220
that he has continued to remain involved

1021
00:50:33,840 --> 00:50:31,090
in my life and in this whole process of

1022
00:50:37,230 --> 00:50:33,850
communication from what some people call

1023
00:50:40,560 --> 00:50:37,240
the other side I think it's real I think

1024
00:50:44,100 --> 00:50:40,570
that he has expended this effort in

1025
00:50:46,020 --> 00:50:44,110
order to let us know as he said if it

1026
00:50:50,400 --> 00:50:46,030
turns out I'm wrong I'll drop you a line

1027
00:50:53,850 --> 00:50:50,410
and he has been proceeding with a

1028
00:50:55,440 --> 00:50:53,860
passion and I can tell you that some of

1029
00:50:56,880 --> 00:50:55,450
the latest things that have happened to

1030
00:50:59,340 --> 00:50:56,890
me

1031
00:51:01,400 --> 00:50:59,350
stemming from the day of the dedication

1032
00:51:04,130 --> 00:51:01,410
of Forrest J Ackerman Square

1033
00:51:06,170 --> 00:51:04,140
have been some of the most amazing of

1034
00:51:07,190 --> 00:51:06,180
all they aren't even in the book because

1035
00:51:09,529 --> 00:51:07,200
they happened after the book was

1036
00:51:13,670 --> 00:51:09,539
published but some of the most amazing

1037
00:51:15,739 --> 00:51:13,680
of all so this is my story out I want to

1038
00:51:19,039 --> 00:51:15,749
hear about some of those have but the

1039
00:51:22,190 --> 00:51:19,049
document what is the significance you

1040
00:51:23,960 --> 00:51:22,200
know it says Sara Bernstein HBO and then

1041
00:51:26,900 --> 00:51:23,970
just below spoke to and that's where

1042
00:51:30,710 --> 00:51:26,910
it's all like a blacked out rejected as

1043
00:51:35,390 --> 00:51:30,720
they say left a message for Joe a mode

1044
00:51:39,620 --> 00:51:35,400
that was that was his a caretaker right

1045
00:51:43,160 --> 00:51:39,630
with Joe Meaux well Joe Meaux was the

1046
00:51:46,099 --> 00:51:43,170
caretaker but what the document was the

1047
00:51:49,870 --> 00:51:46,109
document was a printout of my log of

1048
00:51:53,299 --> 00:51:49,880
phone calls and business meetings for

1049
00:51:56,599 --> 00:51:53,309
let's see let me get the years straight

1050
00:52:00,200 --> 00:51:56,609
so this would have been for 2008 and I

1051
00:52:02,239 --> 00:52:00,210
had printed it out it was 24 pages I

1052
00:52:04,009 --> 00:52:02,249
printed out and I had it in March

1053
00:52:06,890 --> 00:52:04,019
because I was reviewing it for tax

1054
00:52:08,839 --> 00:52:06,900
purposes I was you know figuring out you

1055
00:52:11,329 --> 00:52:08,849
know what business lunches did I have it

1056
00:52:12,529 --> 00:52:11,339
who would I met with and the business

1057
00:52:16,489 --> 00:52:12,539
phone calls were there too

1058
00:52:18,829 --> 00:52:16,499
so you know that the Sara Bernstein HBO

1059
00:52:21,529 --> 00:52:18,839
that was you know a conversation I had

1060
00:52:24,680 --> 00:52:21,539
at that time with an executive at HBO

1061
00:52:26,779 --> 00:52:24,690
and a few lines up from that it says

1062
00:52:31,700 --> 00:52:26,789
left message for joe amodei

1063
00:52:33,400 --> 00:52:31,710
well joe amodei that that I was doing

1064
00:52:38,029 --> 00:52:33,410
now but at that time he was a

1065
00:52:40,190 --> 00:52:38,039
distributor of DVDs in New York and I my

1066
00:52:43,039 --> 00:52:40,200
phone call to him was to find out if he

1067
00:52:48,499 --> 00:52:43,049
would be interested in distributing my

1068
00:52:53,150 --> 00:52:48,509
film nobody remember the details when I

1069
00:52:59,660 --> 00:52:53,160
called him then I think it was about

1070
00:53:03,680 --> 00:52:59,670
Jesus in India my film Jesus in India

1071
00:53:05,479 --> 00:53:03,690
was finished in 2007 and I don't I don't

1072
00:53:07,099 --> 00:53:05,489
remember when the DVD came out but I was

1073
00:53:11,059 --> 00:53:07,109
calling him about Jesus in India trying

1074
00:53:12,740 --> 00:53:11,069
to get wider distribution for it and so

1075
00:53:16,370 --> 00:53:12,750
I'd left a message for him

1076
00:53:19,400 --> 00:53:16,380
the words that are blacked out from a

1077
00:53:24,230 --> 00:53:19,410
few days later it said spoke to Joe Emma

1078
00:53:28,040 --> 00:53:24,240
day so I think that's when I spoke to

1079
00:53:30,320 --> 00:53:28,050
him now the first mystery about why

1080
00:53:32,359 --> 00:53:30,330
would those words be blacked out was

1081
00:53:35,060 --> 00:53:32,369
because what what would the significance

1082
00:53:37,070 --> 00:53:35,070
of Joe Emma day be why would if you

1083
00:53:39,620 --> 00:53:37,080
assume that the blackout is a message to

1084
00:53:42,740 --> 00:53:39,630
me of some importance happening from

1085
00:53:45,800 --> 00:53:42,750
some invisible unseen intelligence while

1086
00:53:47,990 --> 00:53:45,810
I'm alone in my house why that I mean I

1087
00:53:50,030 --> 00:53:48,000
didn't know Joe Emma day I had one

1088
00:53:52,640 --> 00:53:50,040
conversation with him we didn't do any

1089
00:53:54,890 --> 00:53:52,650
business together so if there was some

1090
00:53:58,190 --> 00:53:54,900
emergency in Joe Emma days life you know

1091
00:54:00,620 --> 00:53:58,200
why tell me oh it didn't make any sense

1092
00:54:02,030 --> 00:54:00,630
and I sweated over this it really

1093
00:54:06,620 --> 00:54:02,040
bothered me

1094
00:54:09,170 --> 00:54:06,630
for days and as I began to think you

1095
00:54:12,320 --> 00:54:09,180
know could this be a line from fari

1096
00:54:14,270 --> 00:54:12,330
Ackerman well I asked myself did fari

1097
00:54:15,920 --> 00:54:14,280
blackout entire words like that when he

1098
00:54:18,650 --> 00:54:15,930
edited you know some people just draw a

1099
00:54:21,250 --> 00:54:18,660
pencil through something is there any

1100
00:54:23,870 --> 00:54:21,260
precedent for that how can I find

1101
00:54:27,109 --> 00:54:23,880
documents of manuscripts that he edited

1102
00:54:30,020 --> 00:54:27,119
to see if anything looks like that so I

1103
00:54:32,180 --> 00:54:30,030
put in a call to Joe Meaux who was his

1104
00:54:34,339 --> 00:54:32,190
caretaker and closest friend for the

1105
00:54:36,079 --> 00:54:34,349
last 10 years and Joe had been one of

1106
00:54:41,540 --> 00:54:36,089
the main guys who had organized the

1107
00:54:44,089 --> 00:54:41,550
whole tribute so the shocking thing that

1108
00:54:45,980 --> 00:54:44,099
happened was when I called Joe he didn't

1109
00:54:50,180 --> 00:54:45,990
even let me tell him why I was calling

1110
00:54:52,240 --> 00:54:50,190
he was so excited to tell me he said you

1111
00:54:54,980 --> 00:54:52,250
know I'm a skeptic like fari I don't

1112
00:54:56,329 --> 00:54:54,990
believe in these things like spirits he

1113
00:54:59,450 --> 00:54:56,339
says but I have to tell you that after

1114
00:55:01,970 --> 00:54:59,460
the tribute I had an experience I can't

1115
00:55:04,010 --> 00:55:01,980
explain that seemed more real than

1116
00:55:06,079 --> 00:55:04,020
reality itself he said I think it

1117
00:55:08,120 --> 00:55:06,089
happened moments before awakening in the

1118
00:55:11,510 --> 00:55:08,130
morning but it was more real than

1119
00:55:14,060 --> 00:55:11,520
reality fari had come into my room we

1120
00:55:15,770 --> 00:55:14,070
talked he told me the things that far he

1121
00:55:21,079 --> 00:55:15,780
had said to him it was a thank-you for

1122
00:55:22,550 --> 00:55:21,089
the tribute and he said then Joe opened

1123
00:55:25,450 --> 00:55:22,560
his eyes and everything looked exactly

1124
00:55:28,390 --> 00:55:25,460
as it had in this surreal experience

1125
00:55:31,390 --> 00:55:28,400
except there is no morph re there and he

1126
00:55:36,310 --> 00:55:31,400
said you know Paul he said it was just

1127
00:55:38,640 --> 00:55:36,320
as if fari came and spoke to me and at

1128
00:55:41,680 --> 00:55:38,650
that moment all my alarm bells went off

1129
00:55:44,560 --> 00:55:41,690
Martin it was like an electric shock

1130
00:55:46,300 --> 00:55:44,570
through my spine because when he said it

1131
00:55:49,630 --> 00:55:46,310
was as if Fareed came and spoke to me

1132
00:55:51,010 --> 00:55:49,640
and this is Jomo telling me this and I'm

1133
00:55:54,180 --> 00:55:51,020
looking at the words that are blacked

1134
00:55:56,620 --> 00:55:54,190
out and they say spoke to Joe a mo D and

1135
00:56:01,960 --> 00:55:56,630
Jomo's name is right there in the middle

1136
00:56:05,440 --> 00:56:01,970
of and I remember I know that fari who

1137
00:56:07,930 --> 00:56:05,450
loved puns had this game he would play

1138
00:56:11,560 --> 00:56:07,940
of finding names within names it's what

1139
00:56:13,720 --> 00:56:11,570
he did it's all in Famous Monsters you

1140
00:56:16,920 --> 00:56:13,730
could find so many examples of this

1141
00:56:22,960 --> 00:56:16,930
wordplay of finding a name within a name

1142
00:56:26,260 --> 00:56:22,970
so uh I even had an example in something

1143
00:56:31,510 --> 00:56:26,270
that he autographed for me where he said

1144
00:56:35,320 --> 00:56:31,520
hooray for Harryhausen and he spelled it

1145
00:56:36,820 --> 00:56:35,330
hol - RA Y Ray Harryhausen so he's got

1146
00:56:37,660 --> 00:56:36,830
the name ray in the middle of the word

1147
00:56:39,940 --> 00:56:37,670
hooray

1148
00:56:44,800 --> 00:56:39,950
that's what Murray did and here I've got

1149
00:56:46,510 --> 00:56:44,810
spoke to joe amodei Jomo's name right

1150
00:56:48,820 --> 00:56:46,520
there he's telling me he spoke to Joe

1151
00:56:50,320 --> 00:56:48,830
it's telling me he's bub - Joe Joe's

1152
00:56:52,000 --> 00:56:50,330
telling me he spoke to me

1153
00:56:54,220 --> 00:56:52,010
Joe's telling me he appeared to me in

1154
00:56:56,680 --> 00:56:54,230
spirit and he spoke to me he thanked me

1155
00:56:58,630 --> 00:56:56,690
for the tribute but he's letting me know

1156
00:57:00,520 --> 00:56:58,640
in case Joe doesn't believe it or thinks

1157
00:57:03,460 --> 00:57:00,530
it was a dream he's telling me by the

1158
00:57:05,109 --> 00:57:03,470
way I spoke to Joe this is the way this

1159
00:57:08,079 --> 00:57:05,119
was the only interpretation I could give

1160
00:57:12,940 --> 00:57:08,089
to him it nothing else ever made sense

1161
00:57:14,349 --> 00:57:12,950
and the fact that it was followed by you

1162
00:57:17,349 --> 00:57:14,359
know all of these other things that

1163
00:57:19,050 --> 00:57:17,359
continued through the years right up to

1164
00:57:23,859 --> 00:57:19,060
incredible things that have happened

1165
00:57:26,230 --> 00:57:23,869
since last November I think it's real

1166
00:57:28,720 --> 00:57:26,240
this is and the book and the movie is

1167
00:57:31,510 --> 00:57:28,730
the best job I can give with full

1168
00:57:34,990 --> 00:57:31,520
honesty I even signed a sworn affidavit

1169
00:57:36,760 --> 00:57:35,000
that I've reported it accurately I'm not

1170
00:57:38,890 --> 00:57:36,770
exaggerating I haven't made any of this

1171
00:57:40,329 --> 00:57:38,900
up this is the report of

1172
00:57:42,370 --> 00:57:40,339
the communications of Forrest J Ackerman

1173
00:57:45,880 --> 00:57:42,380
after he died it's proof of life after

1174
00:57:49,269 --> 00:57:45,890
death well I I have heard and I've had a

1175
00:57:51,279 --> 00:57:49,279
situation myself with my grandmother but

1176
00:57:55,359 --> 00:57:51,289
I've heard a lot of people talk about

1177
00:57:57,609 --> 00:57:55,369
dreams and from my own experience it was

1178
00:58:00,789 --> 00:57:57,619
one of the most realistic dreams I ever

1179
00:58:07,329 --> 00:58:00,799
had that I can recall

1180
00:58:09,940 --> 00:58:07,339
so did he say it was a lucid dream yes I

1181
00:58:13,960 --> 00:58:09,950
don't know if you use that word lucid

1182
00:58:16,150 --> 00:58:13,970
dream but he said that it happened just

1183
00:58:19,870 --> 00:58:16,160
seconds before he woke up in the morning

1184
00:58:22,990 --> 00:58:19,880
but he said it it was it was taking

1185
00:58:25,089 --> 00:58:23,000
place in his room it was more real than

1186
00:58:26,950 --> 00:58:25,099
reality itself so that when he woke up

1187
00:58:29,470 --> 00:58:26,960
he felt he was coming down from a level

1188
00:58:31,390 --> 00:58:29,480
of reality but what his eyes were seeing

1189
00:58:33,400 --> 00:58:31,400
was the same thing except fari wasn't

1190
00:58:35,920 --> 00:58:33,410
there anywhere that's that's what he

1191
00:58:38,799 --> 00:58:35,930
said so let's hear some of the other

1192
00:58:42,039 --> 00:58:38,809
things that has happened since 2000

1193
00:58:44,260 --> 00:58:42,049
November of 2016 you said some other

1194
00:58:52,299 --> 00:58:44,270
things have happened that are pretty

1195
00:58:55,329 --> 00:58:52,309
amazing yes and I I report this with

1196
00:58:59,549 --> 00:58:55,339
trepidation I haven't reported it

1197
00:59:05,920 --> 00:59:03,549
because it involves a movie project that

1198
00:59:07,299 --> 00:59:05,930
I can't I can't name the you know the

1199
00:59:09,640 --> 00:59:07,309
people that are involved but I can say

1200
00:59:13,089 --> 00:59:09,650
some things about it

1201
00:59:14,230 --> 00:59:13,099
it so happened that right after the

1202
00:59:20,170 --> 00:59:14,240
tribute to fari

1203
00:59:22,150 --> 00:59:20,180
I got a phone call from an agent who had

1204
00:59:24,010 --> 00:59:22,160
helped me out about a decade earlier and

1205
00:59:26,500 --> 00:59:24,020
I seen him at a few events from time to

1206
00:59:28,779 --> 00:59:26,510
time and it's a friend of my wife but

1207
00:59:31,510 --> 00:59:28,789
you know we hadn't really done business

1208
00:59:35,230 --> 00:59:31,520
together and talked business in a long

1209
00:59:39,760 --> 00:59:35,240
time and he talked to me about their

1210
00:59:42,339 --> 00:59:39,770
needing to be a project that would have

1211
00:59:46,329 --> 00:59:42,349
an actor and farce J Ackerman and Ray

1212
00:59:48,250 --> 00:59:46,339
Bradbury and sort of deal with those

1213
00:59:51,430 --> 00:59:48,260
things and he said he knew I had made

1214
00:59:52,550 --> 00:59:51,440
the sci-fi boys and he wanted me to send

1215
00:59:54,770 --> 00:59:52,560
it to him for

1216
01:00:00,320 --> 00:59:54,780
certain actor he represents that

1217
01:00:02,630 --> 01:00:00,330
everybody knows which I did and but he

1218
01:00:05,510 --> 01:00:02,640
didn't know about the Ackermann the

1219
01:00:08,390 --> 01:00:05,520
dedication that day it the timing of the

1220
01:00:10,010 --> 01:00:08,400
phone call he had no clue that that had

1221
01:00:12,470 --> 01:00:10,020
happened he was amazed when I told him I

1222
01:00:15,440 --> 01:00:12,480
had just come from that now

1223
01:00:19,760 --> 01:00:15,450
within an hour of that I'm driving along

1224
01:00:22,970 --> 01:00:19,770
and I had written a screenplay that that

1225
01:00:26,570 --> 01:00:22,980
that sort of answered to what he was

1226
01:00:32,120 --> 01:00:26,580
saying should be done I had written it

1227
01:00:33,770 --> 01:00:32,130
back in 2010 and it I don't want to go

1228
01:00:36,080 --> 01:00:33,780
into too much detail about it but I want

1229
01:00:41,300 --> 01:00:36,090
to tell you that a car pulled in front

1230
01:00:46,780 --> 01:00:41,310
of me shortly after that phone call that

1231
01:00:51,920 --> 01:00:46,790
had a license plate that practically had

1232
01:00:54,280 --> 01:00:51,930
the name of my movie on it with a CK

1233
01:01:01,370 --> 01:00:54,290
also in the license plate for Ackerman

1234
01:01:06,110 --> 01:01:01,380
arm I took a picture of it and it's very

1235
01:01:09,290 --> 01:01:06,120
very specific to the title of my film

1236
01:01:12,050 --> 01:01:09,300
and the ACK so I won't say much more

1237
01:01:15,530 --> 01:01:12,060
about it now exactly I wanted to take it

1238
01:01:16,910 --> 01:01:15,540
as a sign of course that something

1239
01:01:19,880 --> 01:01:16,920
really good could happen with this

1240
01:01:21,830 --> 01:01:19,890
project and everything is in motion now

1241
01:01:23,840 --> 01:01:21,840
for something really good to happen with

1242
01:01:25,490 --> 01:01:23,850
that project and I'm waiting to see if

1243
01:01:28,580 --> 01:01:25,500
it will I'm surprised you didn't track

1244
01:01:31,670 --> 01:01:28,590
that person down and say hey why do you

1245
01:01:34,160 --> 01:01:31,680
have that license plate well you know I

1246
01:01:35,690 --> 01:01:34,170
just got a picture of it when it was

1247
01:01:37,550 --> 01:01:35,700
stopped at a red light then as soon as

1248
01:01:40,190 --> 01:01:37,560
the light turned green did that car sped

1249
01:01:43,580 --> 01:01:40,200
off and I guess there would be some way

1250
01:01:45,770 --> 01:01:43,590
to track it down but you know what I

1251
01:01:48,230 --> 01:01:45,780
would I think about this because there

1252
01:01:51,500 --> 01:01:48,240
have been a number of license plate

1253
01:01:53,420 --> 01:01:51,510
incidents with is very something very

1254
01:01:56,300 --> 01:01:53,430
strange and specific that happens at a

1255
01:01:58,640 --> 01:01:56,310
specific time you know the person that

1256
01:02:03,780 --> 01:01:58,650
gets a vanity license plate has his own

1257
01:02:07,680 --> 01:02:03,790
reason for that license plate so

1258
01:02:09,780 --> 01:02:07,690
uh you know it probably meant something

1259
01:02:11,490 --> 01:02:09,790
completely different from him but it

1260
01:02:13,260 --> 01:02:11,500
served as the trigger to me because I

1261
01:02:16,980 --> 01:02:13,270
saw the name of my movie in it with the

1262
01:02:20,550 --> 01:02:16,990
reference to Ackerman so they call those

1263
01:02:24,090 --> 01:02:20,560
things a synchronicity meaning a really

1264
01:02:26,250 --> 01:02:24,100
really improbable coincidence but not

1265
01:02:31,170 --> 01:02:26,260
just a coincidence a coincidence that

1266
01:02:33,800 --> 01:02:31,180
has an intense emotional effect on the

1267
01:02:36,480 --> 01:02:33,810
person that experiences the coincidence

1268
01:02:39,330 --> 01:02:36,490
Carl Jung came up with that terms the

1269
01:02:42,060 --> 01:02:39,340
psychiatrist he came up with

1270
01:02:42,930 --> 01:02:42,070
synchronicity and wrote a lot about that

1271
01:02:45,390 --> 01:02:42,940
there's been a lot written about

1272
01:02:50,280 --> 01:02:45,400
synchronicities and I've had many many

1273
01:02:52,500 --> 01:02:50,290
of those kinds of experiences since the

1274
01:02:54,750 --> 01:02:52,510
strange things began you know one of the

1275
01:02:57,840 --> 01:02:54,760
things up you know I think about so

1276
01:03:00,270 --> 01:02:57,850
Forrest J Ackerman was you know someone

1277
01:03:02,580 --> 01:03:00,280
pretty incredible but wouldn't you think

1278
01:03:06,960 --> 01:03:02,590
that other people would be able to have

1279
01:03:08,700 --> 01:03:06,970
just as much power over doing something

1280
01:03:12,900 --> 01:03:08,710
that he would you know what would make

1281
01:03:16,860 --> 01:03:12,910
him less special yes yes absolutely you

1282
01:03:18,330 --> 01:03:16,870
see absolutely uh I mean there is a

1283
01:03:21,720 --> 01:03:18,340
theory that those people that are sort

1284
01:03:25,290 --> 01:03:21,730
of larger-than-life in life you know are

1285
01:03:26,760 --> 01:03:25,300
larger than life and death but when I

1286
01:03:32,400 --> 01:03:26,770
teamed up with dr. Gary Schwartz

1287
01:03:34,860 --> 01:03:32,410
professor at University of Arizona his

1288
01:03:37,670 --> 01:03:34,870
research goes exactly to your question

1289
01:03:42,390 --> 01:03:37,680
because he has been attempting

1290
01:03:48,510 --> 01:03:42,400
communication with various spirits of

1291
01:03:52,940 --> 01:03:48,520
people that had great impact while they

1292
01:03:56,820 --> 01:03:52,950
were alive in some cases one of them is

1293
01:03:58,320 --> 01:03:56,830
his own mother-in-law is another woman

1294
01:03:59,940 --> 01:03:58,330
who was a writer about life after death

1295
01:04:04,350 --> 01:03:59,950
who was sort of a mentor to him in his

1296
01:04:06,450 --> 01:04:04,360
research and at the University of

1297
01:04:07,890 --> 01:04:06,460
Arizona in Tucson he has what he calls

1298
01:04:11,460 --> 01:04:07,900
the laboratory for advances in

1299
01:04:14,350 --> 01:04:11,470
consciousness at health so in addition

1300
01:04:17,730 --> 01:04:14,360
to testing mediums

1301
01:04:24,070 --> 01:04:17,740
he has developed software he's used

1302
01:04:26,710 --> 01:04:24,080
sensors he's developed programs to

1303
01:04:31,600 --> 01:04:26,720
attempt communication with spirit that

1304
01:04:36,130 --> 01:04:31,610
is measurable and we're background noise

1305
01:04:41,080 --> 01:04:36,140
can be ruled out where the timing of it

1306
01:04:42,970 --> 01:04:41,090
can be sort of predetermined he has a

1307
01:04:45,130 --> 01:04:42,980
computer program where you'll see a bar

1308
01:04:49,000 --> 01:04:45,140
graph moving along the screen of the

1309
01:04:51,250 --> 01:04:49,010
computer and he'll attempt communication

1310
01:04:52,690 --> 01:04:51,260
with the specific spirit now he's done

1311
01:04:55,390 --> 01:04:52,700
this with Forrest J Ackerman with

1312
01:04:57,190 --> 01:04:55,400
positive results and we filmed this and

1313
01:05:00,640 --> 01:04:57,200
you see this in the movie but he's also

1314
01:05:05,350 --> 01:05:00,650
done it with other spirits if you will

1315
01:05:07,840 --> 01:05:05,360
and there are situations where he'll ask

1316
01:05:11,140 --> 01:05:07,850
for a he'll ask a question for a yes or

1317
01:05:14,880 --> 01:05:11,150
no response and it'll be very quickly

1318
01:05:17,290 --> 01:05:14,890
followed by an anomalous burst of

1319
01:05:21,280 --> 01:05:17,300
radiation that is measured on the bar

1320
01:05:23,860 --> 01:05:21,290
graph so this is his specialty of

1321
01:05:27,130 --> 01:05:23,870
research in the movie the life after

1322
01:05:29,770 --> 01:05:27,140
death project you will see things filmed

1323
01:05:31,360 --> 01:05:29,780
in his laboratory while the attempt at

1324
01:05:35,250 --> 01:05:31,370
these communications it's taking place

1325
01:05:39,580 --> 01:05:35,260
and he's written many papers about this

1326
01:05:42,580 --> 01:05:39,590
and he has extensive theories about it

1327
01:05:45,700 --> 01:05:42,590
but he certainly believes that spirit

1328
01:05:48,940 --> 01:05:45,710
survives physical death and can

1329
01:05:51,280 --> 01:05:48,950
communicate with us which is sort of the

1330
01:05:54,850 --> 01:05:51,290
foundation of the what they call

1331
01:05:59,230 --> 01:05:54,860
spiritualism which is what Harry Houdini

1332
01:06:03,400 --> 01:05:59,240
debunked and many others of debunked

1333
01:06:07,990 --> 01:06:03,410
attempted to belittle through the years

1334
01:06:11,820 --> 01:06:08,000
and yet Gary would certainly claim that

1335
01:06:15,340 --> 01:06:11,830
there is now scientific evidence for

1336
01:06:16,900 --> 01:06:15,350
this theory that that was not available

1337
01:06:20,500 --> 01:06:16,910
in the days of Harry Houdini

1338
01:06:22,690 --> 01:06:20,510
oh yes and what didn't Harry Houdini say

1339
01:06:26,200 --> 01:06:22,700
that he was going to try to communicate

1340
01:06:29,500 --> 01:06:26,210
with his wife when he died and they they

1341
01:06:34,650 --> 01:06:31,750
I don't know if the seances or do you

1342
01:06:39,790 --> 01:06:34,660
know anything about that yes they

1343
01:06:41,320 --> 01:06:39,800
attempted to communication I think many

1344
01:06:43,590 --> 01:06:41,330
times I don't know whether it was on his

1345
01:06:51,490 --> 01:06:43,600
birthday or the anniversary of his death

1346
01:06:54,910 --> 01:06:51,500
and his his widow I never felt that

1347
01:06:58,540 --> 01:06:54,920
communication had been made there were

1348
01:07:01,510 --> 01:06:58,550
however some interesting and strange

1349
01:07:06,100 --> 01:07:01,520
things that I'll mention I mentioned in

1350
01:07:08,680 --> 01:07:06,110
the book the last time they attempted

1351
01:07:11,620 --> 01:07:08,690
the communication it rained in Los

1352
01:07:13,360 --> 01:07:11,630
Angeles that day only on top of the

1353
01:07:16,390 --> 01:07:13,370
building where they were attempting the

1354
01:07:20,200 --> 01:07:16,400
communication it was rain there

1355
01:07:23,560 --> 01:07:20,210
only only there and this has been

1356
01:07:28,210 --> 01:07:23,570
written up then on a recent major

1357
01:07:29,860 --> 01:07:28,220
anniversary of Harry Houdini's death you

1358
01:07:34,150 --> 01:07:29,870
know we have the Magic Castle in Los

1359
01:07:37,060 --> 01:07:34,160
Angeles we have a Houdini seance room in

1360
01:07:38,710 --> 01:07:37,070
the Magic Castle it's filled with

1361
01:07:41,170 --> 01:07:38,720
Houdini memorabilia

1362
01:07:44,940 --> 01:07:41,180
you know the locks chains these things

1363
01:07:47,950 --> 01:07:44,950
he escaped from the straitjackets and on

1364
01:07:54,070 --> 01:07:47,960
the anniversary of his death there was a

1365
01:07:59,200 --> 01:07:54,080
fire that broke out that day in the

1366
01:08:01,900 --> 01:07:59,210
Magic Castle and they put the fire

1367
01:08:03,550 --> 01:08:01,910
department declared the fire out right

1368
01:08:05,200 --> 01:08:03,560
it was the time of his death it

1369
01:08:08,350 --> 01:08:05,210
coincided with the time that Houdini had

1370
01:08:11,530 --> 01:08:08,360
died and I found out later that the

1371
01:08:14,470 --> 01:08:11,540
damage in the Magic Castle including the

1372
01:08:16,960 --> 01:08:14,480
water damage from the hoses went right

1373
01:08:18,940 --> 01:08:16,970
up to the Houdini seance room and

1374
01:08:23,530 --> 01:08:18,950
stopped there there was no damage to

1375
01:08:25,120 --> 01:08:23,540
Lutie nice answer so you know the the

1376
01:08:28,900 --> 01:08:25,130
skeptics will say you know makes a great

1377
01:08:33,249 --> 01:08:28,910
story it's a coincidence you know how

1378
01:08:36,180 --> 01:08:33,259
many coincidences does it take along

1379
01:08:38,340 --> 01:08:36,190
with physical evidence along with

1380
01:08:40,200 --> 01:08:38,350
instrumental transcommunication

1381
01:08:45,890 --> 01:08:40,210
electronic voice

1382
01:08:49,050 --> 01:08:45,900
phenomena along with vetted mediums who

1383
01:08:51,030 --> 01:08:49,060
have been tested by a university

1384
01:08:56,760 --> 01:08:51,040
professor was a PhD from Harvard who

1385
01:08:59,340 --> 01:08:56,770
taught it Yale Gary Schwartz brought a

1386
01:09:01,380 --> 01:08:59,350
couple a few different mediums to this

1387
01:09:07,110 --> 01:09:01,390
project who he felt had special talents

1388
01:09:10,079 --> 01:09:07,120
we feel owned the readings there in the

1389
01:09:11,970 --> 01:09:10,089
life-after-death project and extensively

1390
01:09:16,729 --> 01:09:11,980
discussed in an atheist in heaven the

1391
01:09:19,110 --> 01:09:16,739
book and their readings were

1392
01:09:21,180 --> 01:09:19,120
extraordinary they were kept completely

1393
01:09:22,860 --> 01:09:21,190
in the dark they didn't know who it was

1394
01:09:25,920 --> 01:09:22,870
we wanted to communicate with except for

1395
01:09:29,610 --> 01:09:25,930
a first name they weren't told who I was

1396
01:09:33,209 --> 01:09:29,620
so they had nothing to go by and what

1397
01:09:35,640 --> 01:09:33,219
came out of it was what was amazing you

1398
01:09:39,090 --> 01:09:35,650
know just like our experience of that

1399
01:09:41,190 --> 01:09:39,100
seance at the at the Accra mansion which

1400
01:09:43,740 --> 01:09:41,200
as I say at Martin I filmed it and I

1401
01:09:46,140 --> 01:09:43,750
filmed we were there three nights and

1402
01:09:50,099 --> 01:09:46,150
four days doing experiments at the Accra

1403
01:09:51,720 --> 01:09:50,109
mansion and I I must have done 15 hours

1404
01:09:55,229 --> 01:09:51,730
of videotape from that which I haven't

1405
01:09:56,700 --> 01:09:55,239
edited yet and I do consider that one of

1406
01:09:59,459 --> 01:09:56,710
my projects for this year finally get

1407
01:10:02,430 --> 01:09:59,469
around to editing all the interviews and

1408
01:10:04,260 --> 01:10:02,440
everything that happened on on those

1409
01:10:09,209 --> 01:10:04,270
four days talking about a coincidence

1410
01:10:13,680 --> 01:10:09,219
the painting that you have on the cover

1411
01:10:17,340 --> 01:10:13,690
your book that has a clock in it and

1412
01:10:22,350 --> 01:10:17,350
didn't he die at the exact time forrest

1413
01:10:26,100 --> 01:10:22,360
ackerman diet the yes I mean let me let

1414
01:10:28,979 --> 01:10:26,110
me amplify that the cover painting of

1415
01:10:33,620 --> 01:10:28,989
the movie DVD the life after death

1416
01:10:37,920 --> 01:10:33,630
project has a painting by LJ dot an

1417
01:10:41,520 --> 01:10:37,930
artist I greatly respect I recommend you

1418
01:10:45,540 --> 01:10:41,530
find his website and look at his art

1419
01:10:48,870 --> 01:10:45,550
online he specializes in paintings that

1420
01:10:51,060 --> 01:10:48,880
relate to Hollywood movies of science

1421
01:10:53,370 --> 01:10:51,070
fiction horror genre he painted that

1422
01:10:55,860 --> 01:10:53,380
portrait of Forrest J Ackerman

1423
01:10:58,410 --> 01:10:55,870
there was a clock in the background with

1424
01:11:02,459 --> 01:10:58,420
the hands of the clock at two minutes to

1425
01:11:07,080 --> 01:11:02,469
midnight he painted it in 2004 four

1426
01:11:12,840 --> 01:11:07,090
years before he died and it turned out

1427
01:11:16,919 --> 01:11:12,850
that on December 4th of 2008 fari died

1428
01:11:18,689 --> 01:11:16,929
at two minutes to midnight so in a way

1429
01:11:23,399 --> 01:11:18,699
the painting predicted the time of his

1430
01:11:25,770 --> 01:11:23,409
death we used the same painting on the

1431
01:11:27,810 --> 01:11:25,780
cover of an atheist in heaven but the

1432
01:11:29,760 --> 01:11:27,820
clock isn't there on the book but a

1433
01:11:31,550 --> 01:11:29,770
couple other things related to this I

1434
01:11:34,530 --> 01:11:31,560
want to tell you that are intriguing

1435
01:11:38,100 --> 01:11:34,540
remember I told you that I got that

1436
01:11:41,760 --> 01:11:38,110
phone call after Forrest J Ackerman

1437
01:11:44,729 --> 01:11:41,770
Square was dedicated and then then came

1438
01:11:46,680 --> 01:11:44,739
to license plate it so happens that LJ

1439
01:11:50,280 --> 01:11:46,690
dot was with me when that phone call

1440
01:11:52,890 --> 01:11:50,290
came and I was driving him home when the

1441
01:11:57,870 --> 01:11:52,900
license plate car with that license

1442
01:11:59,010 --> 01:11:57,880
plate pulled in front of us so that was

1443
01:12:00,629 --> 01:11:59,020
interesting but the other thing that's

1444
01:12:04,350 --> 01:12:00,639
really interesting is that when fate

1445
01:12:07,320 --> 01:12:04,360
magazine decided to publish an article

1446
01:12:09,209 --> 01:12:07,330
about this it had me write an article

1447
01:12:12,930 --> 01:12:09,219
called The Strange Case of Forrest J

1448
01:12:16,590 --> 01:12:12,940
Ackerman and on the first page of the

1449
01:12:17,490 --> 01:12:16,600
article about three paragraphs down I

1450
01:12:19,680 --> 01:12:17,500
was talking about

1451
01:12:21,330 --> 01:12:19,690
LJ da and his painting and how it

1452
01:12:24,360 --> 01:12:21,340
predicted the time of for his death and

1453
01:12:28,680 --> 01:12:24,370
right there there's a massive misprint

1454
01:12:31,080 --> 01:12:28,690
in the article which has words I didn't

1455
01:12:33,270 --> 01:12:31,090
put them there nobody put them there but

1456
01:12:37,770 --> 01:12:33,280
it refers to the inkblot obliteration

1457
01:12:40,169 --> 01:12:37,780
and what it says is it's right in the

1458
01:12:43,410 --> 01:12:40,179
middle of I was saying it in LJ deep and

1459
01:12:48,030 --> 01:12:43,420
I think right after the L or the LJ it

1460
01:12:53,970 --> 01:12:48,040
says the inkblot in two levels of

1461
01:12:56,550 --> 01:12:53,980
opacity spoke to joe amodei and then it

1462
01:12:59,669 --> 01:12:56,560
repeats the inkblot two levels of

1463
01:13:01,200 --> 01:12:59,679
opacity spoke to joe amodei and then it

1464
01:13:03,479 --> 01:13:01,210
goes on with the article the way I'd

1465
01:13:05,580 --> 01:13:03,489
written that is really weird why was it

1466
01:13:06,960 --> 01:13:05,590
you why was it there why did it happen

1467
01:13:11,160 --> 01:13:06,970
and you know

1468
01:13:13,470 --> 01:13:11,170
and two levels of opacity it creates a

1469
01:13:15,780 --> 01:13:13,480
little more evidence because spoke to

1470
01:13:18,120 --> 01:13:15,790
you can kind of read through it but the

1471
01:13:20,970 --> 01:13:18,130
name joe amodei completely blocked out

1472
01:13:24,570 --> 01:13:20,980
and then in fate magazine it repeats

1473
01:13:27,410 --> 01:13:24,580
twice and again it has to do with lines

1474
01:13:32,430 --> 01:13:27,420
of text you know it's the ink again and

1475
01:13:34,820 --> 01:13:32,440
then oh my god there was the I talked

1476
01:13:37,020 --> 01:13:34,830
about the autograph hooray for

1477
01:13:39,480 --> 01:13:37,030
Harryhausen the he signed one of his

1478
01:13:41,070 --> 01:13:39,490
magazines Famous Monsters a few years

1479
01:13:42,960 --> 01:13:41,080
before he died the autographed informant

1480
01:13:45,420 --> 01:13:42,970
hooray for Harryhausen and paul davids

1481
01:13:48,690 --> 01:13:45,430
Forrest J Ackerman he signed it right

1482
01:13:52,320 --> 01:13:48,700
above an entry in the table of contents

1483
01:13:57,660 --> 01:13:52,330
of the magazine that said the invisible

1484
01:14:00,900 --> 01:13:57,670
ink men strike again wow that's an awful

1485
01:14:05,910 --> 01:14:00,910
lot of irony if nothing else it's really

1486
01:14:09,390 --> 01:14:05,920
something it goes it goes it goes on and

1487
01:14:15,270 --> 01:14:09,400
on and on on and on and on and and I

1488
01:14:21,030 --> 01:14:15,280
have an iPod that you know has so much

1489
01:14:22,740 --> 01:14:21,040
music in it and it had been set to Bob

1490
01:14:25,320 --> 01:14:22,750
Dylan I've been listening to Bob Dylan

1491
01:14:27,660 --> 01:14:25,330
again and again for days and I spent an

1492
01:14:29,970 --> 01:14:27,670
afternoon with a couple of far ease

1493
01:14:36,480 --> 01:14:29,980
close friends talking about him for

1494
01:14:38,670 --> 01:14:36,490
hours and I got in my car and I turned

1495
01:14:41,040 --> 01:14:38,680
on the car and the music comes out of

1496
01:14:41,970 --> 01:14:41,050
the iPod it's not Bob Dylan but it's the

1497
01:14:48,750 --> 01:14:41,980
Phantom of the Opera

1498
01:14:49,410 --> 01:14:48,760
oh but tell me you had and farri all

1499
01:14:51,390 --> 01:14:49,420
right sorry

1500
01:14:54,080 --> 01:14:51,400
where he always made the joke saying

1501
01:14:56,130 --> 01:14:54,090
that he wanted to be in the remake of

1502
01:14:58,740 --> 01:14:56,140
Phantom of the Opera and he wanted Oprah

1503
01:15:00,420 --> 01:14:58,750
Winfrey the the woman who pulls the mask

1504
01:15:02,300 --> 01:15:00,430
off any and and he said we're going to

1505
01:15:04,890 --> 01:15:02,310
call that movie over on him of the Oprah

1506
01:15:06,210 --> 01:15:04,900
yeah so it was again it was one of his

1507
01:15:09,330 --> 01:15:06,220
things the Phantom of the Opera launched

1508
01:15:10,680 --> 01:15:09,340
a knee and my music changes to the

1509
01:15:12,030 --> 01:15:10,690
Phantom of the Opera after spending two

1510
01:15:12,960 --> 01:15:12,040
hours talking about it with friends I

1511
01:15:15,570 --> 01:15:12,970
can't explain it

1512
01:15:17,220 --> 01:15:15,580
well well interesting so I think we're

1513
01:15:19,380 --> 01:15:17,230
going to call the show I want to thank

1514
01:15:20,790 --> 01:15:19,390
you so much and please do tell the

1515
01:15:23,550 --> 01:15:20,800
listener out there

1516
01:15:26,190 --> 01:15:23,560
they can find you first of all you have

1517
01:15:29,880 --> 01:15:26,200
your paul davids calm right isn't that

1518
01:15:32,460 --> 01:15:29,890
it your main website up that's yeah that

1519
01:15:34,380 --> 01:15:32,470
but that's a website that has but that's

1520
01:15:36,690 --> 01:15:34,390
a little out-of-date paul davids

1521
01:15:41,130 --> 01:15:36,700
and then a little - and then the word

1522
01:15:43,590 --> 01:15:41,140
artist calm i is very up-to-date and it

1523
01:15:45,450 --> 01:15:43,600
also has a massive collection of my art

1524
01:15:49,260 --> 01:15:45,460
in addition to entries about the books

1525
01:15:53,810 --> 01:15:49,270
and the movies and you know the stage

1526
01:15:56,640 --> 01:15:53,820
play of starry night and i'll also say

1527
01:15:58,200 --> 01:15:56,650
you could find I think all these

1528
01:16:01,200 --> 01:15:58,210
different projects I've done I think are

1529
01:16:03,390 --> 01:16:01,210
still findable at Amazon the latest

1530
01:16:06,360 --> 01:16:03,400
movie Marilyn Monroe Declassified which

1531
01:16:10,770 --> 01:16:06,370
gets into the mystery of her death it

1532
01:16:14,550 --> 01:16:10,780
came out in November and if you look me

1533
01:16:17,880 --> 01:16:14,560
up at imdb.com the internet movie

1534
01:16:19,530 --> 01:16:17,890
database paul davids you'll have the

1535
01:16:22,320 --> 01:16:19,540
long list of you know all the different

1536
01:16:24,240 --> 01:16:22,330
movies and all the transformer shows

1537
01:16:28,980 --> 01:16:24,250
there were 79 of them I was working on

1538
01:16:31,020 --> 01:16:28,990
and all of it listed there if you want

1539
01:16:33,090 --> 01:16:31,030
to track those things down and I

1540
01:16:35,610 --> 01:16:33,100
encourage you to see them

1541
01:16:39,450 --> 01:16:35,620
great well hey as always it's always a

1542
01:16:41,030 --> 01:16:39,460
pleasure to talk to you Paul thank you

1543
01:16:43,500 --> 01:16:41,040
for letting me go into such detail

1544
01:16:45,420 --> 01:16:43,510
Martin I really appreciate every

1545
01:16:47,340 --> 01:16:45,430
opportunity for people to understand

1546
01:16:49,320 --> 01:16:47,350
this and so yeah yes brilliant really

1547
01:16:50,460 --> 01:16:49,330
fascinating alright well you take care

1548
01:16:52,380 --> 01:16:50,470
and hopefully I'll see you out in

1549
01:16:57,060 --> 01:16:52,390
Phoenix next February if you make it out

1550
01:17:00,240 --> 01:16:57,070
there I will try and make it a point all

1551
01:17:02,460 --> 01:17:00,250
right I get there alright everyone

1552
01:17:05,100 --> 01:17:02,470
thanks so much for hanging in in the

1553
01:17:07,230 --> 01:17:05,110
chat room and I don't think we had any

1554
01:17:08,970 --> 01:17:07,240
questions tonight but I do appreciate

1555
01:17:11,520 --> 01:17:08,980
you participating

1556
01:17:15,810 --> 01:17:11,530
thanks so much so next week we are

1557
01:17:18,120 --> 01:17:15,820
coming back with Edward Edwin I'm sorry

1558
01:17:22,350 --> 01:17:18,130
see May he was part of the Stargate

1559
01:17:25,380 --> 01:17:22,360
project back in the 70s where they did

1560
01:17:28,110 --> 01:17:25,390
remote viewing and you know for the

1561
01:17:30,990 --> 01:17:28,120
government remote viewing and they

1562
01:17:33,540 --> 01:17:31,000
studied ESP and all kinds of things like

1563
01:17:34,470 --> 01:17:33,550
that and the title of the show it has

1564
01:17:37,710 --> 01:17:34,480
something to do with

1565
01:17:43,050 --> 01:17:37,720
the hang on just a minute I will get

1566
01:17:47,280 --> 01:17:43,060
there and it's a new book that he just

1567
01:17:50,700 --> 01:17:47,290
released and it is called or I think

1568
01:17:53,010 --> 01:17:50,710
this was his title psychic spies the

1569
01:17:55,440 --> 01:17:53,020
Russians and research the inside story

1570
01:17:57,120 --> 01:17:55,450
so it should be an interesting show next

1571
01:17:59,700 --> 01:17:57,130
week and hope to see you here again and

1572
01:18:05,790 --> 01:17:59,710
chat and thanks so much for listening

1573
01:18:05,800 --> 01:18:17,360
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